Installation instructions V3 Beta 1

1.First create a new drive with the assigned letter "X"
and give it 100GB (102,400MB ),and no i don't recommend any alternative to this.

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2.Install Skyrim legendary edition in X:\
•New folder path should be X:\Skyrim

(if folder paths is not exactly "X:\Skyrim"pack will not function properly)

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3.Copy the contents of the pack in X:\Skyrim

4.Set video settings like so for TESV.exe from Nvidia Control Panel or ATI equivalent

•AO  : OFF
•AF  : Application Controlled
•AA  : Application Controlled
•AA transparency : OFF
•V-Sync : ON
•Pack should run fine with Win7 and Win 10 with the latest Nvidia drivers

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5.Start MO (ModOrganizer.exe) and make sure all mods from left and right pane are activated (they should be)

-Mods in left pane should end with 206 and sorted by priority automatically,last one being "ASIS SkyProc Patch Done"
-Mods in right pane should be 192 and ending with "ASIS.esp"

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6.Start SKSE through MO to play the game.

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7.Start a new game or load one of the saves.

-Don't forget to enjoy, seed and configure your mods in-game though MCM(Mod Configuration Menu)almost every aspect of you gameplay can be configured thorough it.

•Enough of this gibberr-jabber writing and words give us video tutorial


•A big part of enjoying a smooth gameplay is configuring your mods don't forget that when you start a new game




AO = ambient occlusion
AF = anisotropic filtering
AA = anti aliasing
V-Sync = vertical synchronization
MO = mod organizer
SKSE = skyrim script extender
MCM = mod configuration menu


Q&A!

-I have problems installing!
-Post in •Troubleshooting

-I have found a bug!
-Post in •Bugs and fixes

-How well will it run on my PC?
-Compare your specs in •Benchmark V3

-Can this be further tweaked?
-Check •Tips and tricks

-Can we have more video tutorials?
-Sure •Here you go

-Can you recommend us some more mods?
-Of course •Here are some i recommend


-Can i run this on my [insert name here]laptop?
-If it's not current gen then no,i don't recommend it.

-Is it really necessary to create a new drive just for this?
-If you don't want to spend a few hours correcting path's yes

-I am not computer savvy and all that,can i still install this?
-I don't see why not just follow the instructions.

-In the old forum there was a donation button will it come back?
-No, not likely as it was totally misunderstood.

-Will you continue work on 2.0.6 V4 or on 2.0.7?
-Yes but don't expect quick updates or quick releases

-Can i install X,x and X mod?
-Only if you have a good knowledge of what is installed,modding tools and possible conflicts.

-I hate the ENB can i remove it?
-I don't recommended it, make sure you know what you are doing.

-Can i get ENB Boost?
-Not needed

-Can i replace the ENB with another one?
-Yes feel free to change it to another one,never disable the ENB totally

-How much FPS does the current ENB eat up?
-5-10 FPS on my medium system

-How do i disable ENB in-game?
-SHIFT+F12

-How do i enable the ENB GUI?
-Shift + Enter

-Where are the save-games?
-X:\Skyrim\profiles\Rotten\saves

-Where are the ini's?
-X:\Skyrim\profiles\Rotten

-Can i remove mods if I'm new to modding?
-No i don't recommend removing any mod even if you are not new to it

-What are the plethora of buttons in MO upper-right corner?
-Tools that you can use

-Is there a guide for all these tools?
-Yes check the modding guide!

-Can we see an example on how to use the tools?
-Yes

Don't mean to be "that guy", but i can not; for the life of me, find the download for 2.0.6 v3

izaakt wrote:

Don't mean to be "that guy", but i can not; for the life of me, find the download for 2.0.6 v3

Google "KAT.CR"

On KAT search for "Skyrim Perfectly Modded"

Cheers!

Yo Rotten does the same installation instructions pertain if I wish to install skyrim in a partitioned area od an external hard drive? I made a partition called X. So I installed skyrim on there via steam and from there just unzip your pack over there?

I can't shrink my partition because I have unmovable files. I have to change the addresses but I don't know what exactly I need to change. Can you help me out?

CyberPwn3 wrote:

I can't shrink my partition because I have unmovable files. I have to change the addresses but I don't know what exactly I need to change. Can you help me out?

I'm no computer whiz by any means,what i did was get a sdd just for the pack and named it "X" so it doesn't interfere with other partitions.If you have a bigger SSD or HDD you can use the solution posted above with no problems.
In the shrinking process you will have the option to assign it a letter.
You should never shrink you "C:\" aka your windows drive.

Good Luck.

RottenDub wrote:

CyberPwn3 wrote:

I can't shrink my partition because I have unmovable files. I have to change the addresses but I don't know what exactly I need to change. Can you help me out?

I'm no computer whiz by any means,what i did was get a sdd just for the pack and named it "X" so it doesn't interfere with other partitions.If you have a bigger SSD or HDD you can use the solution posted above with no problems.
In the shrinking process you will have the option to assign it a letter.
You should never shrink you "C:\" aka your windows drive.

Good Luck.

I just took an old external HDD with a usb 2.0, Named it X and installed the mod on it. It's running ok but it slows down alot from time to time. This'll have to do for now. Thanks for the easy install.

Had trouble with shrinking my drive. Apparently microsoft's default tool sucks dicks and immovable files on your drive may prevent you from creating a new partition of adequate size, or may prevent you from creating one at all.

I spent about an hour trying to get around the immovable files and gave up, then found this.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html

The Minitool Partition Wizard allowed me to create a new partition in literally 2 minutes. From there I was able to assign the new partition as drive X in Disk Management.

Quick instructions: 

Right click your C: drive in the wizard and select "split drive".

Move the <> arrow slider to 100gb for the new partition. Hit OK.

Hit the Apply button in the top left corner of the wizard.

It'll prompt you to close all applications, don't bother, just hit okay and when it says programs are running on C: it'll ask you if you want to restart and apply the changes, take that option. Your computer will restart and the new partition will be created "offline" (meaning it'll be created without your OS running). 

You should be good to go, just change the drive letter in administrative tools.

Hope that helps the people that ran into the same issue I did.

Glad you managed to sort it out,if more people run into this sort of problem i'll be sure to add your guide to the main thread.
Thanks for sharing your "fix".

ArmaGetItOn wrote:

Had trouble with shrinking my drive. Apparently microsoft's default tool sucks dicks and immovable files on your drive may prevent you from creating a new partition of adequate size, or may prevent you from creating one at all.

I spent about an hour trying to get around the immovable files and gave up, then found this.

The Minitool Partition Wizard allowed me to create a new partition in literally 2 minutes. From there I was able to assign the new partition as drive X in Disk Management.

Quick instructions: 

Right click your C: drive in the wizard and select "split drive".

Move the <> arrow slider to 100gb for the new partition. Hit OK.

Hit the Apply button in the top left corner of the wizard.

It'll prompt you to close all applications, don't bother, just hit okay and when it says programs are running on C: it'll ask you if you want to restart and apply the changes, take that option. Your computer will restart and the new partition will be created "offline" (meaning it'll be created without your OS running). 

You should be good to go, just change the drive letter in administrative tools.

Hope that helps the people that ran into the same issue I did.

I tried doing the exact same thing before I decided to use an external drive. After restarting my pc to let it resize my partition, it froze after 2 minutes. The loading light wasn't on and I let it sit all night and it stayed at 0%. Luckily it didn't screw up my boot after I held down the power button and restarted it. I tried 10 times before giving up.

Hmmm. Make sure you have at least twice as much free space as you need for the new partition and run an optimization defrag, then try it again. I use Auslogics Diskdefrag.

I suspect that the partition wizard simply couldn't find enough adjacent memory blocks to create the partition.

ArmaGetItOn wrote:

Hmmm. Make sure you have at least twice as much free space as you need for the new partition and run an optimization defrag, then try it again. I use Auslogics Diskdefrag.

I suspect that the partition wizard simply couldn't find enough adjacent memory blocks to create the partition.

I have 450gb free and I ran the optimization defrag 5 times in a row and it's still freezing.

Is the actual game directory suppose to end up like this? 

X:\Skyrim\steamapps\common\Skyrim 

That's the only way I can get Steam to install it.

shmitterwink wrote:

Is the actual game directory suppose to end up like this? 

X:\Skyrim\steamapps\common\Skyrim 

That's the only way I can get Steam to install it.

It's supposed to be X:\Skyrim (rename after install) game/MO won't use steam to launch you game but SKSE_loader.exe

RottenDub wrote:

shmitterwink wrote:

Is the actual game directory suppose to end up like this? 

X:\Skyrim\steamapps\common\Skyrim 

That's the only way I can get Steam to install it.

It's supposed to be X:\Skyrim (rename after install) game/MO won't use steam to launch you game but SKSE_loader.exe

Okay, so this is how my game directory looks now before installing the mod pack. Is this correct? Just wanted to be 100% sure before I put everything in. Thank you.

Yes you should be good to go,when you click the address bar in explorer it should say "X:\Skyrim"

http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html did it for me.
Also you can change the letter to X in that program.

Hello, thanks very much for this pack too, got me back into Skyrim again! ;)

I'm just wondering if it matters if I have the high resolution texture pack from steam installed or not. 

Also quite a few of the mods say they are unmanaged. I'm guessing that's what they are meant to say, but I just want to make sure that nothing went wrong with MO, thanks!

Mark12000 wrote:

Hello, thanks very much for this pack too, got me back into Skyrim again! ;)

I'm just wondering if it matters if I have the high resolution texture pack from steam installed or not. 

Also quite a few of the mods say they are unmanaged. I'm guessing that's what they are meant to say, but I just want to make sure that nothing went wrong with MO, thanks!

It's ok if it says unmannaged(or managed outside MO) as long as all the mods from the left pane (about 20 are ticked) and all from the right.You can delete or disable the  high resolution texture packs as they are not needed anymore.Actually i strongly recommend it.You should end up with something like this :

Alright, thanks a lot. Now to start my journey through a new Skyrim.

Mark12000 wrote:

Alright, thanks a lot. Now to start my journey through a new Skyrim.

Have fun and when the time permits maybe leave some feedback,as detailed or as brief as you want.

Happy questing :)

i got it running now. I had named my drive wrong

Now my cursor on kb and 360 is way to fast. My character walks way too fast also

what should I do?

addicted2whitethigh wrote:

i got it running now. I had named my drive wrong

Now my cursor on kb and 360 is way to fast. My character walks way too fast also

what should I do?

In X:\Skyrim\profiles\Rotten open skyrim.ini and set the second line

"iFPSClamp=50" to "iFPSClamp=60" make sure you enable v-sync via graphics card CP for TESV.exe

got that cursor issues fixed thanks

now the next thing is do these mods need cleaning?
Mo says my dot net is outdated but im on windows 10
MO alsos says I have missing masters and python is not installed
it offers a fix for the python issue but i did not meddle with it.

i deactivated the rotten mods because the game would not start with them.


for enb's, do i need to add the required mods listed on nexus before using the ones in your bundle or can I just drag and drop?

addicted2whitethigh wrote:

got that cursor issues fixed thanks

now the next thing is do these mods need cleaning?
Mo says my dot net is outdated but im on windows 10
MO alsos says I have missing masters and python is not installed
it offers a fix for the python issue but i did not meddle with it.

i deactivated the rotten mods because the game would not start with them.


for enb's, do i need to add the required mods listed on nexus before using the ones in your bundle or can I just drag and drop?

•You need python (included in the pack) to correctly run MO
•Check X:\Skyrim\-=Skyrim Rotten Edition ReadMEs and tools=-\Redist for any missing Redist
•Make sure you activate all mods in the pack
•If you don't know how to clean the said mods in II leave it be
•You don't need anything for ENB everything you need is in the pack
•Pack wasn't tested with WIN10
•Skyrim can only run in DX9

RottenDub wrote:

addicted2whitethigh wrote:

got that cursor issues fixed thanks

now the next thing is do these mods need cleaning?
Mo says my dot net is outdated but im on windows 10
MO alsos says I have missing masters and python is not installed
it offers a fix for the python issue but i did not meddle with it.

i deactivated the rotten mods because the game would not start with them.


for enb's, do i need to add the required mods listed on nexus before using the ones in your bundle or can I just drag and drop?

•You need python (included in the pack) to correctly run MO
•Check X:\Skyrim\-=Skyrim Rotten Edition ReadMEs and tools=-\Redist for any missing Redist
•Make sure you activate all mods in the pack
•If you don't know how to clean the said mods in II leave it be
•You don't need anything for ENB everything you need is in the pack
•Pack wasn't tested with WIN10
•Skyrim can only run in DX9

i know how to clean mods with tes5edit. is that ok to do?
also in wyre bash many of the mods are red or orange. 
i know how to fix orange ones with tes5edit.
also tes5edit says the rotten mods should not load b4 dawnguard error stops there
did not make bash patch btw.
should i downgrade my dx version?

•Press sort in ModOrganizer or run LOOT with ModOrganizer

•Clean but start TES5Edit through ModOrganizer

•I also opened Wyre though MO and none are orange or red

•A bashed patch is not really required as far as i tested the game is very stable

•You might've installed something wrong.

I'm going to make a short tutorial in a second to show you how it should look!

Edit here you go!



Also created a video tutorial on installing

RottenDub wrote:

•Press sort in ModOrganizer or run LOOT with ModOrganizer

•Clean but start TES5Edit through ModOrganizer

•I also opened Wyre though MO and none are orange or red

•A bashed patch is not really required as far as i tested the game is very stable

•You might've installed something wrong.

I'm going to make a short tutorial in a second to show you how it should look!

Edit here you go!



Also created a video tutorial on installing

i got it sorted and its all green in wb much thanks.
now i get skyui error code 5 when i enter the map or favorites menu.
also i get stuck in the loading/wait screen when fast traveling.
furthermore the guard at whiterun wont open the gates. i have paid him several times.
sadly, horse charge is not working for me. i tweaked it a bunch in the settings. its my fav attack in the game.

-One crucial thing to do when start a new game is press "ESC" >>> "Mod Configuration Menu" >>> "SKY UI" >>> "ADVANCED" >>> untick "MAP&FAVORITES Menu"



You first need to go to helgen before going to whiterun!

Hi there, first off thank you very much for all your hard work. You deserve a long rest indeed! I got scared when I found the old forums gone, just got back into the online world of things.

Having trouble finding where to download v3. Searched KAT but nothing comes up.
Anywhere else it's likely to be?

Thanks!

RottenDub wrote:

-One crucial thing to do when start a new game is press "ESC" >>> "Mod Configuration Menu" >>> "SKY UI" >>> "ADVANCED" >>> untick "MAP&FAVORITES Menu"



You first need to go to helgen before going to whiterun!

ok so i deleted and reinstalled and everything is loaded well and green

but now the game often the game gets stuck on the loading screen.
also asis and obis dont seem to increase spawn.

If it's installed correctly that should never happen.
The memory fix prevents "infinite loading screen"
Don't run the pack with task manager open as it's messing with the custom video hook that the pack uses.
I didn't increase the spawns in asis and obis because it can put a lot of strain on people with weaker CPU's.
If you want to increase spawns open ASIS MCM menu and configure it,then go to inside cell and sleep for 3 months.

RottenDub wrote:

If it's installed correctly that should never happen.
The memory fix prevents "infinite loading screen"
Don't run the pack with task manager open as it's messing with the custom video hook that the pack uses.
I didn't increase the spawns in asis and obis because it can put a lot of strain on people with weaker CPU's.
If you want to increase spawns open ASIS MCM menu and configure it,then go to inside cell and sleep for 3 months.

 will do.
 you are amazing btw

i tried dragnaurok. i had never heard of it. its amazing.

Wanted to test Dragnarok extensively but never had time.

If you want to make it more immersive create a settlement/fort and a guild with tundra defense/pocket empire builder/Create your own guild.

Then save and activate Dragnarok,and quit the game.

Open skyrim.ini from X:\Skyrim\profiles\Rotten and find the line

bEssentialTakeNoDamage=1 (near the bottom) and set it to 0

All npc can die and you can basically turn Skyrim into a survival game :)

Warning this is recommended for a survival experience and quest can get canceled,protected/essential npc can die.

Have Fun!

RottenDub wrote:

izaakt wrote:

Don't mean to be "that guy", but i can not; for the life of me, find the download for 2.0.6 v3

Google "KAT.CR"

On KAT search for "Skyrim Perfectly Modded"

Cheers!

Infection: URL:Mal
URL: (Removed HTTP)104.243.43.220/a9ad3d6abfdd98687834819fce2deeba.html
Process: C:\Users\Jonny\AppData\Roaming\uTorrent\updates\3.4.5_41372\utorrentie.exe

Edit: After thinking about it I did turn the auto update setting off in utorrent after I installed it. It might have been utorrent sending me malware.

My Avast blocked a virus using this download. I will continue to download but some people might get the infection.

If you don't know your viruses and anti-viruses please don't miss-inform other people.Thanks!

There's something weird about that url above are you sure it's from "kat.cr"

•Online scan



•Archived pack



•Unpacked mod pack



•Avast discussion

Edit: Which torrent program should I use and then how do I upload it to that one after I download it from utorrent to help seed?

I don't know my viruses, I don't know how to pirate, I don't know how to use torrent programs. But I did get that popup! I guess don't use utorrent...

I personally use Utorrent 2.2.1 because it doesn't have adds or other junk

Torrent seeding apps are not used just for pirate material but for seeding and sharing other content as-well.

Also make sure the site you are trying to get the file from is the legit one,when you go to the site it should just say kat.cr no other proxy or fake site.

Seeding is easy,just download the file you want and leave Utorrent open.

Thank you for fast response. I will leave it minimized and check load on startup. I don't even use my 12mbps upload anyways. Thank you for mod and easy instructions. I never knew how to make a new drive.

Uhh, hello, sorry to bother you but I am at the fifth stage of the process and I'm having quite a bit of trouble figuring this out. I've spent the whole day going through it and finally made it to the 5th step. 

On the left pane, instead of 206 mods I have 159 and it ends with Unmanaged: --RottenAIfixes--. 

On the right pane, instead of 192 mods, it has 161 and ends with Wrath Of Nature.esp. 

I'm not sure how I messed up though. I've manual checked the torrent twice not just in case it missed something during the download but nada.

Here is a picture of it.



Also, I believe this is the correct way to set it up, yes?



Thank you for your support, time, and hard work :) I was going to try my hand at modding but found it far too difficult and a headache. You were truly a lifesaver and I realize you spend enough time already, but thank you anyway.

Hello and welcome to the forum.
Did you use 7zip to extract the files?
Did you try to use run it as admin and use extract to option?

If you check the data folder you should have 141 esp files.
There should also be some mods in X:\Skyrim\MO MODS.

Wow okay, I'm sorry. I literally feel like the dumbest guy XD

When you said to open Mod Manager, I went and actually downloaded Mod Manager on my desktop instead of actually opening the ModManager.exe that was in the folder.

Something's still a bit iffy with the number of mods and load order though.



The problem here is that now there's an extra 3 mods on the left pane. Same for the right one. Also, if you examine the right pane, I noticed that there were 3 HighResTexturePack.espS. Is this the cause of the extra 3 mods?

It might not even be a problem to run it as it is as it's only an extra 3 mods but I feel like something will go wrong if t's not exactly like the instructions Xd

This has been discussed before but i guess I'll say it again.

High resolutions bsa's and esp's are no longer needed and can be deleted actually  i highly recommend it.

They are in Data folder after you install skyrim
-You can safely delete or move them

Highres1.bsa
Highres1.esp
Highres2.bsa
Highres2.esp
Highres3.bsa
Highres3.esp

*Tip you can use the image hosting below to host images that you can zoom further.
-The servimg hosting service is rudimentary and i could barely see what your image especially since it involves text.
http://postimage.org/

Hello,
I noticed in the racemenu under over lays there is only textures in the 1st tab. the tabs for body feet and the rest are blank. is that supposed to be? also is it possible to add tattoo mods like kj overlays and the coenuculi?


I also need help tweaking my enb local and skyrim ini

I have a gtx 970 and 32gb of ram. i want to tweak it so it uses all the ram it needs and more.

addicted2whitethigh wrote:

Hello,
I noticed in the racemenu under over lays there is only textures in the 1st tab. the tabs for body feet and the rest are blank. is that supposed to be? also is it possible to add tattoo mods like kj overlays and the coenuculi?


I also need help tweaking my enb local and skyrim ini

I have a gtx 970 and 32gb of ram. i want to tweak it so it uses all the ram it needs and more.

•It is possible to add tattoos and other layers to body,I've tested some of them but after I've seen a decrease in performance decided to remove them.

-Get the test files from ini download center
-Get the high preset from ini download center or just tweak it yourself(added a video guide there)

RottenDub wrote:

addicted2whitethigh wrote:

Hello,
I noticed in the racemenu under over lays there is only textures in the 1st tab. the tabs for body feet and the rest are blank. is that supposed to be? also is it possible to add tattoo mods like kj overlays and the coenuculi?


I also need help tweaking my enb local and skyrim ini

I have a gtx 970 and 32gb of ram. i want to tweak it so it uses all the ram it needs and more.

•It is possible to add tattoos and other layers to body,I've tested some of them but after I've seen a decrease in performance decided to remove them.

-Get the test files from ini download center
-Get the high preset from ini download center or just tweak it yourself(added a video guide there)

I have reinstalled several times. i cant open loot also i cant choose any ranged perks.
I also keep getting infinite freezes. any suggestions of papyrus settings in the ini like imin/imaxmemorypagesize?
I get much better performance and load times increasing these values but I still get a infinite load screen withing an hour of play

Quote :

I have reinstalled several times. i cant open loot also i cant choose any ranged perks.
I also keep getting infinite freezes. any suggestions of papyrus settings in the ini like imin/imaxmemorypagesize?
I get much better performance and load times increasing these values but I still get a infinite load screen withing an hour of play

•To run loot with MO you need to update internet explorer to latest version (loot needs it)
•Pressing "Sort" in MO does the same thing as LOOT
•Ranged perk issue had been addressed in bugs and fixes
•CellStabilizer.dll aka Stable uGridsToLoad + memory patch prevents infinite loading screens so it might be something on your end.


Happy New Year.

Hi. I'm really looking forward to trying this I just found out about it. Do you think it will work if I remove a few mods and add a few others?I tried another mod compilation sort of like this called Skyrim Journey and if I deviated from his loadlist at all my game would break.

I really like the mods you use like PerkusMaximus, OBIS and Frostfall butI don't know why you used for example the mods to add vendors instead of using Trade and Barter mod. Or why you didn't use Guard Dialog Overhaul instead of 'Divine punishment for arrows to the knee' type mods. Also whats up with the Draugnarok mod? Seems like that would kill the experience. But from what I've read you make it so players can customize it to their liking pretty easily?

Anyway just a few thoughts I had. I appreciate all the work you've done putting this together. I hope you continue to work on and improve it.

Happy New Year.

LoneWanderer wrote:

Hi. I'm really looking forward to trying this I just found out about it. Do you think it will work if I remove a few mods and add a few others?I tried another mod compilation sort of like this called Skyrim Journey and if I deviated from his loadlist at all my game would break.

I really like the mods you use like PerkusMaximus, OBIS and Frostfall butI don't know why you used for example the mods to add vendors instead of using Trade and Barter mod. Or why you didn't use Guard Dialog Overhaul instead of 'Divine punishment for arrows to the knee' type mods. Also whats up with the Draugnarok mod? Seems like that would kill the experience. But from what I've read you make it so players can customize it to their liking pretty easily?

Anyway just a few thoughts I had. I appreciate all the work you've done putting this together. I hope you continue to work on and improve it.

Happy New Year.

Hello and welcome to the forums.

You can pretty much add and remove whatever you want but remember with some exceptions like skeleton and animation.
Some mods depend on each other so watch out for that.
Perma will cause "gray face bugs" on some NPC,it's beyond my skill to ameliorate for now.Check out bugs&fixes thread.
After removing some mods you should redo the ASIS patch through MO.

Check out some of the other help threads if you feel stuck on any point.There's also a general modding guide floating somewhere around Skyrim related section.

Draugnarok doesn't start automatically you have to start it.It's there because combining some of the mods like Draugnarok+Activate werewolf infection for everyone+create your own guild+tundra defense+pocket empire builder+bEssentialTakeNoDamage=0 in skyrim ini+RND+Frostfall+hunterborn you can turn Skyrim into a survival experience,where you have to build your own  town/settlement, eat, sleep, drink, stay warm and defend your town from  different threats IF you so desire.Most of these mods don't start automatically and can change your gameplay quite a lot.

About the "why didn't you use X mod" i used the mods that i seem fitting for the pack but know that you can never please everyone.